Daniel Carr 1964-D Modern Overstrike.. Did Anyone.....

[Bubblehead]

 

....Here order one of them?     I sat on the fence for nearly a day, after reading of them
on the PCGS US Coin Forum, before placing an order.

I don't know whether or not to be upset, but due to my vacillating, my order was rec'd
too late to qualify for one of the initial 200, having a Matte finish.

My order was placed at 1334, 16 Sept.  I received today, finally, one of the second run
examples. These are described as having a "High-Luster Finish."  It is definitely full of luster!

I was embarrassed at the coin's packaging.  Perhaps Daniel used last minute part-time
help, clueless as to proper "heavy" coin packaging requirements, in an effort to assist
with a large number of unexpected orders? Postage is indicated as $2.19. 

It came "Packaged" in a #10 business envelope; it's flip between one of those
small (4inch?) corrugated cardboard sticky folders, and having a strip of clear packaging
tape across the rear flap.  The envelope was stamped several places with "Received
in Damaged Condition at (My P.O.)" horribly mangled, bent, folded, and distorted.
How on earth the coin managed to not fall out, along the way, is beyond me!

Since I have been embroiled in an ongoing feud, with our regular postman for longer than
2 years, it is quite possible that the envelope was damaged locally, perhaps on purpose,
before delivery to our box! 

I digress...  Aside from the packing and shipping issue, I will admit that I am pleased as punch
with my coin!  David Hall has said that ownership (of a coin) adds a point (to it's grade)! 
I have tried to be true to myself... My 1964-D Peace Dollar is indeed a thing of beauty.
As for a grade...Hmmmm?  I suppose that, were I grading it, I would assign a lofty grade
of MS69.  It also looks as a lock DDO.  I wonder that at all possible? Did I not read that
the second run, beyond the first 200, were struck but a single blow?  A 300+ ton strike?

The initial minting of 200 were struck several times, at 200-250 tonnes?  Is it possible
to have a true DDO coin, struck but a single time?  Planchet bounce?

If I should win some meaningful lottery, I should like to purchase one of the first 200 as well. 
After all, they are genuine silver Peace Dollars, albeit in mufti!  

Anyone wish to add their dollars worth? 

 

[silver]

No but the 2009 over-struck proofed s.a.e. I should have purchased 2 more.For now there all sold out and im regretting it Im going to sell one of my three on ebay when i get them to see what near future values pan out to be for this coin WITH AMINTAGE OF 10,000 ! yahoo

[Bubblehead]

No but the 2009 over-struck proofed s.a.e. I should have purchased 2 more.For now there all sold out and I'm regretting it I'm going to sell one of my three on ebay when i get them to see what near future values pan out to be for this coin WITH AMINTAGE OF 10,000 ! yahoo

I think you did good, buying into these proof ASE's.  For a time, I had 5, yes..five complete sets of proof ASE's.  I planned
to leave a set to each of my grandsons.  After a time, we began to notice spotting!  Milk Spot, spotting?  Whatever it's
called now, and apparently, the mint cannot stop the process... I was soooo upset, I eventually dumped 4 sets, keeping a
single set that I was just barely able to put together, from the other four sets!  I was not gonna send them back down,
suffer a loss of time and postage, and still be upset.  I have that last set in my safe. I have not looked at it for at least 3 years.
I wonder how many of them are spotted, now? 

Good luck with your 2009 Carr coins!   I would have purchased 5 of them myself, were it not for the spotting issue!

 

[silver]

I dont think they will spot over time with Mr.Carr's Method of manufacture Im a huge fan of Mr.Carr and really like his coin designs,work and integrity By the way how much did you pay for your 1964-D Peace Dollar ? And were can i buy them ? I CANT WAIT TO GET MINE ! Will you post a picture of your 1964-D DDO Peace Dollar ? WE WANT PICS !:)

[Bubblehead]

I dont think they will spot over time with Mr.Carr's Method of manufacture Im a huge fan of Mr.Carr and really like his coin designs,work and integrity By the way how much did you pay for your 1964-D Peace Dollar ? And were can i buy them ? I CANT WAIT TO GET MINE ! Will you post a picture of your 1964-D DDO Peace Dollar ? WE WANT PICS !:)

As for spotting, who can really say whether Dan's ASE's will spot, or not?  Of course, I do hope they do not.
It would be an absolute bummer, if they were to spot!!  

I paid $110.00, plus an add'l $5 for shipping...  I have not checked lately, but perhaps some are still available
from his second minting?  Check his website...what is it, now?  Moonlite Mint?  I've forgotten.  Other PCGS
forumites have posted pics of their coins.  I recall seeing both the matte, and the high luster, finishes posted
there.  My coin is no different than those second minting, high luster,  pics posted a few days ago. And, not
a single ding, mark, bump, whatever!  It's a beautiful piece, and museum quality, as far as I'm concerned.

You may be relegated to searching the PCGS BST forum, or even eBay, to find either coin & finish!
You know, for certain, that there will be people selling their coins... or at least listing them, with some
outrageous BIN number, just to test the waters!!!  

Oh.. Pics.. My camera does not do well with close ups, and unfortunately, my scanner has taken a dump
too.  But, as I've mentioned above, others have posted pics of their coins, and aside from the shadow of
a DDO, they are identical to mine!  

Let us know if you are able to purchase one, and which example!

Returning to add website and pic...  Dan's website is http://www.dc.coin.com.   There are high luster
examples for sale.  He has raised the price to $125.00, and I am assuming the S&H remains $5.00?

Here is a picture of the high luster coin.  Not mine, but it's identical, non-DDO, twin!   

[silver]

Thanks Bubblehead i think i want the one thats been struck only once with the lower presure ive been reading and folks are saying that one has a cleaner look to it !

[silver]

Let us know if you are able to purchase one, and which example!

They do have some left let me think about it And i like your example

[Bubblehead]

They do have some left let me think about it And i like your example
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Don't sit on the fence for too long!  I have convinced my neighbor, after doing an
earlier "show 'n tell," to order one or more of them.  He recently welcomed his first grandchild
into the family, and a boy, as well.  I imagine the grandson will get one, and for sure,
"Jeff" will order another for himself; and perhaps even a third for his son, as a Christmas
stocking stuffer.  Although for me, as stocking stuffers, they are a bit pricey!

    

[silver]

Bubblehead can you tell me if the devices on that coin are faintly visible of the parent coin in some areas,with a loup

I want to know if Mr. Carr used a genuine peace dollar to make them can you tell if you look close enough ? Thanks

[Bubblehead]

Bubblehead can you tell me if the devices on that coin are faintly visible of the parent coin in some areas,with a loup

I want to know if Mr. Carr used a genuine peace dollar to make them can you tell if you look close enough ? Thanks

Sheesh!   Well, after much serious scrutiny, using my Esckenbach 5X loupe, I was unable to discern
any evidence of a previous life.  Perhaps those few that were considered "seconds" by Daniel (MS63)
show some of the orig minting?  Mine is absolutely pristine, and looks as original as could possibly be..

Well, that's my opinion, of course.  My neighbor, Jeff, when I had him come over to see it, also
looked it over using my desk lamp/mag glass combo... He indicated that he too thought it was
gorgeous, and saw no signs of a previous design, date, or shadow...

But... Let me just say this, about that...  If Daniel says his pieces are struck using old, but common,
Peace dollars, I absolutely believe him!

I feel certain that obtaining old Peace dollars for this project, was a much easier effort than attempting
to purchase 2,000 plus, blank, silver, planchets of the appropriate size, metal content, and weight..

Jeez, think about it... Our very own U.S. Mint was unable to obtain sufficient silver planchets to produce
a proof Silver Eagle last year!  I know, the numbers are really far apart, but can you see my point?     

 

[silver]

Jeez, think about it... Our very own U.S. Mint was unable to obtain sufficient silver planchets to produce
a proof Silver Eagle last year!  I know, the numbers are really far apart, but can you see my point?     

Yes and thanks I have seen some of theses coins & in god we trust has a 3% rotation variance i was just wondering if yours did also ! I like yours with out that fact.

[19Lyds]

It also looks as a lock DDO.  I wonder that at all possible? Did I not read that
the second run, beyond the first 200, were struck but a single blow?  A 300+ ton strike?

The initial minting of 200 were struck several times, at 200-250 tonnes?  Is it possible
to have a true DDO coin, struck but a single time?  Planchet bounce?

Planchet bounce would not create a doubled die. I expect that what you are actually seeing, are remnants of the overstruck design.

Think about this. The US Mitn has a tolerance of about a 10-15% die rotation factor and not ALL coins of the same series will have obverse and reverse designs perfectly aligned at 180 degree's.

Daniel DOES have a proprietary procedure for aligning one of the coin faces with the corresponding die face but that alignment may not correspnd to a specific die rotation which may be present on the parent coin. The end result will leave remnants on the final product.

[Bubblehead]

 

Yesterday afternoon, I composed a long (prolly boring) tome in response
to 19LYDS earlier posting.  During the spell check, my wireless signal dropped
and I lost the post!  Afterwards, I had not the energy or patience enough to repeat, nor
recall my words.  They were a most monumental writing! 

Just let it be known that the examples of die alignment and coin/planchet alignment
above, are very similar, but not as pronounced, in my coin! 

Whew!     

[19Lyds]

Yesterday afternoon, I composed a long (prolly boring) tome in response
to 19LYDS earlier posting.  During the spell check, my wireless signal dropped
and I lost the post!  Afterwards, I had not the energy or patience enough to repeat, nor
recall my words.  They were a most monumental writing! 

Just let it be known that the examples of die alignment and coin/planchet alignment
above, are very similar, but not as pronounced, in my coin! 

Whew!     

Ah yes! One of life's most recently defined "moments of frustration"!

[Bubblehead]

 

I visited Mr. Carr's website a few minutes ago.  I wanted to see
whether or not he still listed his 1964-D Pax dollars? 

Hmmmm?  His webpage opened to a cartoon portrayal of a site under
construction!   

Please Daniel, hurry back!